Monday 22 March 2010

Idea: Self-reviewing according to visitors' comments

I thought it'd be a cool idea to pick one of my older games (well, I asked on KGS and people pointed out the older games might be a bit too bad and I most likely don't remember it anymore, so I should perhaps choose a fairly recent one), post it online with eidogo and ask you guys for ideas and comments on how I could've played better, and afterwards post a self-review (again with eidogo) according to the comments I've got on the game. If I get really courageous I might (!) even do it as a video review, but I don't promise anything. How's that sound?

To experiment with this idea, here's one of my latest games. It was actually played today.


Chameau20 W vs AmbyR00 B :: (W+73.5)

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[6]KM[0.50]TM[600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[Chameau20]PB[AmbyR00]WR[10k]BR[19k]DT[2010-03-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[dd][pd][dj][pj][dp][pp]RE[W+73.50]
;W[nq]WL[595.206]C[AmbyR00 [19k\]: hello :)
Chameau20 [10k\]: hello gg
]
;B[qn]BL[582.997]
;W[qq]WL[591.473]
;B[qp]BL[577.106]
;W[pq]WL[589.821]
;B[np]BL[575.383]
;W[mp]WL[588.032]
;B[no]BL[566.795]
;W[mo]WL[575.778]
;B[jp]BL[563.703]
;W[hp]WL[569.557]
;B[jn]BL[554.748]
;W[io]WL[567.976]
;B[jo]BL[542.993]
;W[kq]WL[565.138]
;B[iq]BL[524.564]
;W[cn]WL[562.606]
;B[en]BL[512.664]
;W[do]WL[560.394]
;B[eo]BL[507.196]
;W[ep]WL[559.221]
;B[fp]BL[497.8]
;W[eq]WL[557.076]
;B[fq]BL[496.256]
;W[dq]WL[555.583]
;B[go]BL[485.132]
;W[cl]WL[551.667]
;B[ck]BL[480.542]
;W[el]WL[549.623]
;B[ek]BL[479.249]
;W[fk]WL[548.113]
;B[fj]BL[468.893]
;W[gk]WL[545.372]
;B[gj]BL[467.321]
;W[fm]WL[542.768]
;B[gn]BL[460.477]
;W[hj]WL[537.476]
;B[hi]BL[453.264]
;W[ei]WL[528.76]
;B[hk]BL[436.195]
;W[ej]WL[525.477]
;B[dk]BL[421.591]
;W[ij]WL[521.924]
;B[gl]BL[399.99]
;W[fl]WL[515.017]
;B[fi]BL[398.392]
;W[fh]WL[510.014]
;B[gi]BL[375.462]
;W[hl]WL[503.351]
;B[eh]BL[370.377]
;W[ik]WL[490.476]
;B[gh]BL[341.275]
;W[hn]WL[487.48]
;B[gm]BL[337.557]
;W[hm]WL[483.838]
;B[in]BL[325.712]
;W[hq]WL[476.275]
;B[ip]BL[320.427]
;W[ho]WL[473.11]
;B[lm]BL[254.062]
;W[mm]WL[471.259]
;B[lk]BL[243.519]
;W[kl]WL[466.928]
;B[jl]BL[234.785]
;W[km]WL[463.703]
;B[jm]BL[233.37]
;W[kn]WL[461.366]
;B[ko]BL[219.754]
;W[ln]WL[458.548]
;B[ll]BL[216.474]
;W[jk]WL[457.035]
;B[ki]BL[198.081]
;W[nn]WL[450.115]
;B[on]BL[192.776]
;W[om]WL[447.154]
;B[pm]BL[178.481]
;W[oo]WL[445.689]
;B[op]BL[169.545]
;W[pn]WL[444.223]
;B[po]BL[167.745]
;W[on]WL[442.526]
;B[nl]BL[164.664]
;W[oq]WL[435.03]
;B[ol]BL[151.792]
;W[qm]WL[432.349]
;B[pl]BL[142.839]
;W[rn]WL[429.877]C[AmbyR00 [19k\]: no
Chameau20 [10k\]: Sorry...
AmbyR00 [19k\]: hardly anything black has, lives
]
;B[ql]BL[62.902]C[Chameau20 [10k\]: you still have a big influence
]
;W[rm]WL[417.486]
;B[rl]BL[48.468]
;W[nc]WL[402.502]
;B[oc]BL[34.891]
;W[nd]WL[397.199]
;B[od]BL[30.009]
;W[kc]WL[394.712]
;B[ne]BL[28.176]
;W[me]WL[392.266]
;B[nf]BL[10.086]
;W[le]WL[390.339]
;B[pf]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fc]WL[388.163]
;B[ec]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[386.564]
;B[ed]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ic]WL[384.032]
;B[fe]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ge]WL[379.861]
;B[ff]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[he]WL[378.573]
;B[gf]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jg]WL[375.374]
;B[if]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jf]WL[373.243]
;B[ig]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ie]WL[370.301]
;B[kg]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lg]WL[365.47]
;B[kh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lf]WL[361.845]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ke]WL[359.768]
;B[jh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[je]WL[358.611]
;B[mg]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lh]WL[356.455]
;B[mh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[li]WL[355.409]
;B[lj]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[mi]WL[354.484]
;B[ni]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[mj]WL[352.753]
;B[nj]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[mk]WL[351.628]
;B[ml]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[mn]WL[346.87]
;B[lq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lp]WL[342.344]
;B[oh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[nb]WL[339.698]
;B[ob]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[eb]WL[337.812]
;B[db]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fa]WL[336.635]
;B[da]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[bl]WL[332.461]
;B[bk]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dl]WL[331.103]
;B[dh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ii]WL[328.586]
;B[ih]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[oa]WL[317.941]
;B[pa]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[na]WL[316.64]
;B[qb]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ea]WL[315.276]
;B[jj]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[kk]WL[310.961]
;B[kj]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ak]WL[309.084]
;B[aj]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[al]WL[307.816]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[bj]WL[302.693]
;B[bi]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ai]WL[300.602]
;B[ah]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[aj]WL[298.723]
;B[ch]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ci]WL[294.319]
;B[bh]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[cj]WL[291.428]
;B[di]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[rp]WL[284.086]
;B[sm]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[sn]WL[278.053]
;B[sl]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[nk]WL[271.555]
;B[ok]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[hf]WL[269.239]
;B[hg]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[mf]WL[267.933]
;B[og]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[]WL[267.933]
;B[]BL[30]OB[3]TW[ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][lb][mb][gc][hc][jc][lc][mc][gd][hd][id][jd][kd][ld][md][hk][gl][il][jl][am][bm][cm][dm][em][gm][im][jm][an][bn][dn][en][fn][gn][in][jn][qn][ao][bo][co][eo][fo][go][jo][ko][lo][no][po][qo][ro][so][ap][bp][cp][dp][fp][gp][ip][jp][kp][np][op][pp][qp][sp][aq][bq][cq][fq][gq][iq][jq][lq][mq][rq][sq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[aa][ba][ca][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][cb][pb][rb][sb][ac][bc][cc][dc][pc][qc][rc][sc][ad][bd][cd][qd][rd][sd][ae][be][ce][de][ee][oe][pe][qe][re][se][af][bf][cf][df][of][qf][rf][sf][ag][bg][cg][dg][eg][fg][gg][ng][pg][qg][rg][sg][fh][hh][nh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ei][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][ej][oj][qj][rj][sj][pk][qk][rk][sk]C[AmbyR00 [19k\]: thank you
Chameau20 [10k\]: Thank you
])


I will track the responses (if any), and then post the self-review, probably in a few days.

Please post the move to be reviewed and any subsequent moves you'd like me to try. Thanks. I hope this experiment works out. See ya! ^^ /gg

2 comments:

  1. have looked through the first 70 moves, and it seems you have forgotten to consider the safety of the bottom two B chains. Neither yet have eyes, but their safety could have been helped with a move like J6 for move 28.

    I also don't like the p17, o16 exchange for B, as W ends up stronger than B does.

    K10 neither takes away nor gains points. W could have ignored. I'll go into yose theory if you wish.

    I'm not sure P13 is needed. Always consider the question 'what happens if i don't play this move?' especially in endgame.

    any questions, send me a mesage (zbass on kgs).

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  2. I know, it is true that the whole bottom part was left unattended. I did more or less give up. I suppose this game should've been resigned. I noticed the three groups died and I might've had had a chance saving at least two of them if I really tried. Only I felt white was just too good. But I'll do the self-review for the complete part of the game. First thing I will need though, is some sleep.

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